One of the annoying things about being single is how partnered or married people (or your mother) are always dumping unsolicited dating advice on you. "Stand up straight." "Get a hair cut." "Let your hair grow longer." "Beards are sexy." "Facial hair is too risky." I'm usually not one of those people, but when I see possibly bad information floating around stamped as *fact*, it's hard to keep my mouth shut.
See, once upon a time I was a dominant woman dating primarily in vanilla, with some pretty fast turn ons and offs. Any dating advice I have is, well, dated, and based on the exhaustive study of exactly one dominant woman's turn ons and offs, but, hell, it's statistically impossible for me to be the only woman on the planet with my certain skew, right? There have to be at least two of us, and maybe the other one is single and looking for you.
Floating around, stamped as *fact* is the seemingly obvious conclusion that not only is a dominant woman going to want to order for herself on a restaurant date, she would naturally want to take the lead and order for you, too. I can't argue with the logic of the *fact* except to say, it's not a fact at all. Some of my key turn ons and offs, back in the dating days, took place in a restaurant chair....and having some guy look up at me submissively asking what on earth he should eat for dinner was not a turn *on*.
I'd like to tell you a story now. I'm not necessarily on my best behavior in it, so I won't be getting the Blogger Halo Award for the month.
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About a year ago, I had an Important Business Dinner with a key vendor. The company was
taking me and some of my staff out to a ridiculously expensive meal at a French restaurant. It so happened that the CEO of the company was male, and the four people he brought with him were female. It so happened that all of the staff I brought with me was female, so here is a big, fancy dinner, with the white male CEO and nine women. And I'm the Alpha Female thinking these harem dynamics are never going to do for me for an entire evening.
Now, I didn't plan this I swear, these are just the things that come out of me naturally.
Everybody is sitting with their menus, trying to figure out what to order in French, which I did for about 30 seconds until I closed it up tight and just sat drinking my wine. Eventually we get to the part where the women are all asking each other what they are going to order (God, I love my sex, really, but that "what are we going to order, and oh, I'll have some of yours" chatter makes me insane). When the female pack get to my selections, I turn to Fred (we'll call him) and say "Fred, I'd like you to order for me, please."
Can I tell you there was an audible gasp? (I love this shit, I'm sorry. I just love it.) And then silence. And then Fred got all red and protested that he didn't know what I liked. And I didn't miss a beat and said "I'm sure you'll do fine." And I turned away from him and went back to drinking my wine. And when the waiter came Fred ordered for me, and he did fine (although I did hear his voice waiver once or twice). And then he had to inquire nervously after every course if I was happy with what he picked.
Yes, it was a shameless power play. I don't know where that came from. It's so unlike me. *innocent look*
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Back to dating now.
A man's confidence during a dinner date, while making sure I was taken care of, was always a big turn on. The last guy I dated (hint, the one I married), was a master of it...and still is. There's not much more erotic, to me, than to be taken care of publicly. Drop a bead of sweat or two over getting it right, all the more so.
So, my best dates took charge at the table while letting me sit back and enjoy.
Now, if it is out of the realm of a submissive guy's personality to behave thusly during a dinner date, please don't. If he can't decide what he wants to order, much less be game to try to please me, a woman with my skew isn't the right choice for him anyway.
But if it's in your personality to know food and wine, how to order in languages other than your native, how to tip a Maitre D' and a sommelier....if you are naturally good at this and the supposed *facts* have you altering yourself to fit them, think again. The internet doesn't do a great job of portraying the multi facets of the dominant woman who could be across the table from you. Your natural confidence and abilities could be exactly what pushes her first set of buttons.
Or not. No guarantees go with this blog post. The best I can offer is a challenge to your assumptions. There is a real woman on the other side of the table waiting to connect with an authentic guy who just might be the real you.
Sunday, April 1, 2007
Unsolicited Dating Advice for the Submissive Male, #1
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This is a wonderful posting and I think so topical because I know so many men who have disgusting table manners. However I find the pretension of some resturaunts overwhelming and intimidating that I do not dine out on dates as much as I should.
Fortunately I had a Mother who was a FemDom who trained me in elegant dinning from an early age. I am so grateful to her as a teacher. As a submissive male I beileve it is an important part of service that I am exemplary as an escort. One that my dating companion can rely on for social grace and deportment.
How sad that many Australian men only know how to feed at the pig trough! Sorry, if this sound like a "rant."
Nigel -
I was thinking of you as I wrote this and thinking what a gentleman you must be to dine with. (If you dine even half as gentlemanly as you write.)
I'm glad you brought up about pretensions of some restaurants being intimidating....there's one point I overlooked.
My attraction was to men who were able to handle themselves confidently within their own elements. I only mentioned fancy dining in the post, but I could get the same thrill from a guy who knew the best sushi place, or the best place for burgers and navigated the experience for me with that certain *something*.
I actually fell in love with my husband over the way he ordered me a sandwich in a stand up line in the city.
Hmmmm. I'm starting to wonder if this qualifies for a fetish......
;)
E
Of of the great secrets of courting dominant women is - unless you've been given to understand otherwise - in public you treat her just as you would any other woman whose esteem you are wanting to win.
I don't recall ever hearing anyone say "Oh, I couldn't stand him: he was competent."
Oh, Three cheers for a dominant woman who doesn't have to follow some silly rules. I am always glad to see that I am not alone in being myself and to hell with proscribed behavior.
Verity
Thank you - really enjoyed that post!
Ms160
www.Mistress160.blogspot.com
I actually am working on a more in depth article on exactly THIS subject. It's shameful how unprepared to court a woman many men are today.
I actually have a vanilla blog about bad dates. Inspired by my last vanilla date, where my suitor stole a potted cactus as we left the bar we met at. Not a small cactus, mind you. A 4 foot tall potted barrel cactus.
(I'll tell you the rest in private E.- it's a good Monday laugh)
Richard -
Yeah, a competent person vying for your affection would clearly be a turn off. :)
Verity -
Actually, I don't think we're alone at all. I think there are lots of us. I just don't think we've been talking very loudly. At the moment I'm not sure why that was.
Mistress 160 - thank you, very much. :)
Ms.R - a cactus? Where were these people raised, that's what I want to know. I've never been with a *date* who actually stole something, but I've been out with women friends on a few occasions who thought that stealing the steak knives or whatever was oh so cool. Who raised these people? Isn't that the first thing you learn, don't steal?
Thanks for stopping by everybody...
E
Keeping in mind Im someone on the outside looking in, this post is somewhat confusing. The idea of the man ordering for the woman seems (to me) more dominant on his part.
While I can understand his choosing the restaurant and encouraging her to try a certain entree etc (as in hoping to please her with his choice)
When it comes down to it, shouldnt he allow her to order herself ? This way sounds more like "I'll decide what I want you to have"
Richards comment makes sense, and is more or less the rule I follow. It would matter little if she was sub or dom. I'd treat her the same on a dinner date, and I would not be choosing, controlling what she ate.
Unless,she did ask me to choose something for her, assuming I knew more about the restaurant chosen
Hi Anon -
Yes, the post is really supposed to be confusing, in its own way, because the point really is that people are different. A lot of material that is available online paints a picture of dominant women that is just not accurate as "this is the way they are". Let's shake some basic and unproven assumptions up, shall we?
Now, you used a word that confused me, shouldn't she be "allowed" to order her own dinner. Well, I can't remember the last time I allowed anybody to *allow* me to do anything, so I'm not sure how that interpretion could be inferred from what I wrote.
This is what's safe to infer from what I wrote:
Meek men are attractive to some women. Meek men are not attractive to some other women. If you're not meek, don't pretend to be meek, be yourself, and that may get you exactly where you want to go.
Strong and confident is hot as hell, to some women, if it's what you've got.
That's what you can infer.
hugs,E
Maybe I'm just basing my opionion on the assumption of this being a first date. In that case, if I know nothing about her, then I dont see my ordering for her. Unless she has requested I do so.
Now if I know that she prefers me to order and sees that as my taking care of her and letting her relax, then I can understand it a bit better.
Obviously one person's politeness is anothers meekness. (is that even a word?)
I think what I envison happening if I was on a date with a dominant woman and "took over" would be her thinking "who does he think he is"
While she might see it as "Oooo, he'll be a challenge"
And to make this even more long winded. It really all seems to be a state of mind. I mentioned my always carrying an ex's luggage to her car after an overnight stay, to some female friends. One saw it as "Wow, she has your ass trained" the other as my being dominant and taking care of her.
Geez, as if vanilla dating isnt confusing enough.
:)
Hey Anon -
Yeah, you pretty much said it, which is vanilla dating is confusing enough, and then there's this.
So much of what you read online is completely *artificial*. While I think, at this point, you know I'm not suggesting a guy just *charge in and take over* when he's supposed to be courting a dom woman, I think being yourself as you would on a vanilla date is a great start.
Especially since you seem to have intelligence and spark to bring to the mix. Spark is good. :)
hugs,E
You rock, babe.
LOL, I've tried to think of a snappy rejoinder for that, and have come up dry.
So, thanks. :)
E
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